Category — Persian Rugs

“Where the spirit does not work with the hand there is no art.”

Tied by hand, one knot at a time, a Persian rug can take months or even years to create. Whether knotted from a precise design plate or 'cartoon' in a city workshop or inspired by the imagination of its tribal weaver, the Persian or Oriental rug is an object of skill and beauty… but is it truly art?

The expertise and elegance involved in the creation of a handmade carpet is a team process, the wool is sheared and spun before the dying process (often using natural plant and vegetable extracts), in a city setting the design is then drawn by hand, a painstaking process where the artist paints one dot at a time. The rug is then knotted, a process which takes many months, a form of paint by numbers on a grand scale. In a tribal dwelling the weaver often uses their own designs and inspiration. Ryan Malone of Little-Persia believes Persian rugs are art, art in its most natural and pure form:  

“Pablo Picasso believed that 'Painting is just another way of keeping a diary'. For many of our tribal rugs this could be taken in a literal sense. Nomadic weavers initially knotted rugs as a means of earning money for food and whatever clothing and shelter they could not produce themselves. Today many tribal rugs act as a diary of the weavers' life, a representation of their possessions, wealth or lifestyle - whatever is most important to them. War rugs act as a historic reference to key moments in history, for better or worse. Abstract expressionist, Jackson Pollock stated: 'every good painter paints what he is' in tribal rugs a small piece of the weaver's soul is attached to each rug.  

“With city rugs, intricate designs are often borrowed from nature and architecture or religious and cultural symbols. From simple elephant and camel prints to the extravagant mogul gardens and the detailed carvings on the domes of ancient mosques and palaces, inspiration comes from the life and surroundings of the rug artists. City rugs demonstrate the weavers' aptitude in the use of symmetry, detail and colour.

“Similar to the various ideologies that exist in painting rugs can differ in purpose and appeal. However, no matter if the rug is tribal or city woven, the end goal is the same, to paraphrase Banksy: 'the holy grail is to spend less time making the rug than it takes people to look at it.' A tough ask when a Persian rug can takes months or years to make.”

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is this about the republic of azerbaijan carpets?Khosrow II 19:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Its about the entire Azerbaijan's carpets including South and Northern Azerbaijan. Tabriz is part of the Southern Azerbaijan and therefore part of the Azerbaijan carpets. Stop vandalizing this web site. Your persian chavinism does not know limits. –Rembranth 20:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

No, Tabriz is part of Iran, not R. of Azerbaijan. This article is about the rugs of the Republic of Azerbaijan.Khosrow II 20:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

you might want to see it in that way. But Azerbaijni carpets are all Azerbainis carpets, this includes Tabriz carpets as well.

not when there is a seperate nation. things get confused that way. tabriz is not in the republic of azerbaijan, and has nothing to do with carpets made in the r. of azerbaijan.Khosrow II 21:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Not my friend. Tabriz is Azerbaijani city and carptets made by Tabriz need to be classified as Azerbaijani carpets. Tabriz and everything made there are part of the Azerbaijan civilization.–Rembranth 16:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Tabriz rug is categorized as Persian Rug in all the rug stores of the word.Gol 00:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Protection

I have fully-protected the article due to revert-warring between the editors. Please discuss changes on the talk page & reach a consensus rather than engaging in edit-warring. Request unprotection once a compromise has been reached. –Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 03:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Time to unblock and see what happens? It's been unblocked for over a week. If not could the link to Persian be disambiguated to Persian peoples. — Jeff3000 03:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Edited out, mistake.Khosrow II 14:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Then the link to Persian must be removed. It is a disambiguation page, and nothing should be linked to it. Protection is not supposed to be foreever. I'm going to contact the protecting administrator. — Jeff3000 13:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The only link to “persian” I see in the article refers to Nezami. The link should then refer to “persian litterature”. Arash the Bowman 14:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The phrase from the article is

“Azerbaijani carpet depicting Nizami Gandjavi, the famous Persian poet of Azerbaijan“

Notice the that the adjective Persian relates to the ethnicity of the poet, and not the literature. If there was a phrase such as the “the Persian poem“, then the link should go to “Persian literature”. Now back to the ethnicity. Usually such a link would be disambiguated to Iran, but given that the phrase includes “of Azerbaijan” it makes it tricky; Azerbaijan is not only a country, but also a region of Iran, and so Iran can't be linked directly. Instead the Persian people link is more wide and makes it clear the the poem is of Persian descent, but doesn't make it necessarily of Iran. — Jeff3000 14:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh Jeff I am so sorry, Im in the wrong article! I thought this was the Tabriz Rug page! Sorry about it, disregard my above statment!Khosrow II 14:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem :) — Jeff3000 14:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Nizami is of kurdish heritage, the link of Persian should take the person to the Persian literature page.Khosrow II 16:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

If he's Kurdish, then it should be written “Azerbaijani carpet depicting Nizami Gandjavi, the famous Kurdish poet of Azerbaijan” Persian in that part of the sentence means ethnicity. — Jeff3000 16:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

well, he is half kurdish, that is for sure but he is a persian (as in language) poet as in he wrote in Persian. We can change it to Kurdish Persian Poet , with Persian linking to Persian literature.Khosrow II 17:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Speaking a language is very different than an ethnicity. In English when someone writes in the style

• British football player
• Canadian politician
• Chinese professor

The adjective means ethnicity, and given that Nizami is Kurdish, the adjective should be Kurdish. The fact that he wrote in Persian does not change his enthnicity. You can have a Chinese persian living in the US and writing in English, but he does not become American just for the sake that he is writing in English.

Either Nizami is Kurdish, and the link should be changed to Kurdish people, or he's of Persian ancestry living in Azerbaijan, and then the link should be changed to Persian people. Regardless, this article is not about the poet, and thus every detail about him should not be in here. That he wrote in the Persian language and he is reknown in Persian literature is of little importance in this article. — Jeff3000 17:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I have changed it to Kurdish. As noted above, in the English language, the adjective represents ethnicity, and a link to Persian literature is not applicable regardless of what language he wrote in. — Jeff3000 18:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I have now unprotected the page. Also due to the lack of any kind of dispute resolution dialogue here, I recommend that the editors of this article restrict themselves to the one revert rule (1RR) especially Khosrow II & Rembranth (who were involved in the previous edit war). Any further edit-warring will lead to immediate blocking of the involved parties and re-protection of the article. –Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 18:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Everything here indicating that Nizami Ganjevi is a Persian or Kurdish is total nonsense. There has never been any Kurdish presence in Gandja, a city of Azerbaijan. And if he was a persian he wouldn't write a humilating story about Persian and he wouldn't praise Alexander the Great, the person who destroyed persians. This implies that he is of original pure Azerbaijani Turkish poet and it needs to be known like this.

I will also add Tabriz carpets as Tabriz and everything made there belong to the Azerbaijani civilzation and made by Azerbaiajnis, not by persians and kurdish, but by Azerbaijanis. I woudl request the facilitators to stop Persian fascists and chuavinists from vandalizing this page. Rembrandth

move

I do not see much scholarly support for the term “Azerbaijani rug” (either you know it or see this). According to the handy reference page 1 the classification of “oriental carpets” is the famous one that everybody has heard (Persian, Caucasian, Turkic, Greek, ..). I propose a move to “Carpets of Azerbaijan”.–Xashaiar (talk) 10:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)